THE EVIL " CHURCH" part 2

 

The Godly way vs the tyrannical way


So many families have been destroyed. Lives ruined and even member suicides as the result of the Philadelphia Church of God (PCG) evil “No Contact Ruling” / Shunning.

THE PCG IS TRULY AN EVIL “CHURCH”

"Beware if You Are Considering Joining or Rejoining the PCG!"

In the New Testament / early Christian gatherings, being “put out” (excluded from fellowship) was rare, serious, and restorative in intent, not authoritarian. Here’s how it worked, step by step, according to Scripture.

I will also show a Scripture-based checklist of warning signs of unbiblical authority. These are not personality quirks or preferences — they are structural and behavioral red flags that show when leadership has moved from shepherding to control.


1. What would cause a believer to be put out of the “church” ?

Only serious, unrepentant sin that harmed the body and dishonored God.

A. Persistent, unrepentant sin

Not a stumble — but refusal to repent after correction.

Matthew 18:15–17

  1. Private correction
  2. Then with witnesses
  3. Then brought before the gathering
  4. Only if the person refuses to listen at every step treated as “outside”

This shows removal was the last resort, not the first response.


B. Open, scandalous behavior

Sin so public and destructive that it corrupted the whole body.

1 Corinthians 5:1–13

  • Sexual immorality openly practiced
  • No repentance
  • Paul says keeping such a person inside harms everyone

“A little leaven leavens the whole lump.”


C. False teaching that would not stop

Especially teachings that divided or led people away from Christ.

Titus 3:10

“After warning a divisive person once and then twice, have nothing more to do with them.”


D. Ongoing disorder and refusal to change

Not doctrinal error, but behavior that disrupted the gathering.

2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14–15

  • Idleness
  • Disregard for apostolic instruction
  • Still treated as a brother, but fellowship restricted


2. Who made the decision to put someone out?

👉 The entire gathering, not one man.

This is critical.

Matthew 18:17

“Tell it to the assembly (ekklesia).”

1 Corinthians 5:4–5

“When you are assembled, and I am present in spirit…”

Paul did not excommunicate the man himself.
He instructed the local body to act together.

There is no biblical example of:

  • A single pastor
  • A headquarters
  • A top-down hierarchy
  • A prophet or apostle acting alone

making unilateral “no-contact” decrees.


3. Who actually carried it out?

Again: the congregation as a whole.

What “putting out” meant:

  • Removal from shared meals / communion
  • Loss of teaching and fellowship
  • Social separation within the body

But not hatred, not shunning for punishment, and not family destruction.

2 Thessalonians 3:15

“Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.”


4. What was the goal of putting someone out?

Always restoration — never control.

1 Corinthians 5:5

“So that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.”

And when repentance happened?

2 Corinthians 2:6–8

“The punishment inflicted by the majority is sufficient… now forgive and comfort him.”

The person was welcomed back, not permanently labeled.


5. What did NOT exist in the early church

Scripture gives no support for:

  • Permanent shunning
  • Family members being cut off
  • One leader enforcing silence
  • Fear-based obedience
  • Organizational loyalty overriding conscience

Those practices resemble later religious systems, not apostolic Christianity.


In summary

Question

Biblical Answer

What caused removal?

Serious, unrepentant sin or destructive teaching

Who decided?

The entire local gathering

Who enforced it?

The assembly together, not a ruler

Purpose?

Repentance and restoration

Duration?

Only until repentance

Attitude?

Love, grief, and hope — not punishmen


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Below is a clear, side-by-side contrast showing how modern hierarchical church discipline departed from the New Testament model, followed by a map of where and how the shift happened. I’ll stay grounded in Scripture rather than opinion.


1. Authority Structure: Scripture vs. Modern Hierarchy

New Testament

  • Authority was local, plural, and relational
  • Elders were shepherds among, not rulers over
  • Christ alone was Head

Key texts

  • Matthew 23:8–10 — “You are all brothers… one is your Teacher”
  • Acts 14:23 — Elders appointed in every congregation
  • 1 Peter 5:1–3 — “Not lording it over those entrusted to you”

👉 No headquarters. No chain of command. No supreme leader.


Modern Hierarchical System

  • Authority is centralized
  • Decisions flow top-down
  • Loyalty to organization often outweighs conscience

Common features:

  • Headquarters
  • Senior pastor / apostle / prophet
  • Binding decrees affecting people the leader has never met

📌 Departure point:
Authority moved from Christ + local body
institution + office


2. Discipline Process: Then vs. Now

Biblical Process

Matthew 18:15–17

  1. Private correction
  2. Small group confirmation
  3. Whole assembly involvement
  4. Separation only if unrepentant

1 Corinthians 5

  • Public sin
  • Clear refusal to repent
  • Action taken when the church is gathered
  • Majority decision
  • Restoration afterward

👉 Discipline was:

  • Slow
  • Transparent
  • Reluctant
  • Grief-filled


Modern Practice

Often:

  • Immediate
  • Secretive
  • Leader-decided
  • Enforced without appeal

Common realities:

  • No witnesses
  • No congregational vote
  • No clear charges
  • No path to restoration

📌 Departure point:
Discipline shifted from communal discernment
administrative enforcement


3. Who Decides?

Scripture

  • The whole assembly
  • Elders guide, but do not dictate

2 Corinthians 2:6

“Punishment by the majority is sufficient.”

The majority means:

  • People knew the situation
  • People agreed
  • People also forgave


Modern Hierarchy

  • A single leader or small executive group decides
  • Members are informed after the fact
  • Questioning is treated as rebellion

📌 Departure point:
Decision-making moved from body participation
elite control


4. Scope of Separation

New Testament

Separation meant:

  • No shared communion
  • No participation in teaching
  • Loss of fellowship within the church

But:

  • Family relationships remained intact
  • Social cruelty forbidden

2 Thessalonians 3:15

“Do not regard him as an enemy.”


Modern Shunning

Often includes:

  • Cutting off family
  • Forbidding conversation
  • Social erasure
  • Fear-based compliance

📌 Departure point:
Correction morphed into social punishment


5. Duration and Goal

Biblical

  • Temporary
  • Purpose: repentance and restoration

2 Corinthians 2:7–8

“Forgive and comfort him… reaffirm your love.”

Failure to restore was itself considered sinful.


Modern

  • Indefinite or permanent
  • Restoration controlled by leadership
  • Status never fully restored

📌 Departure point:
Discipline changed from healing
deterrence and control


6. Underlying Theology Shift

Apostolic Christianity

  • Christ rules directly by the Spirit
  • Every believer accountable to God
  • Leaders are servants


Institutional Christianity

  • Authority mediated through office
  • Obedience equals faithfulness
  • Dissent equals sin

📌 Core shift:
From spiritual family
religious corporation


7. Historical Map of the Departure

1st century

  • House churches
  • Plural elders
  • Congregational discernment

2nd–3rd centuries

  • Single “bishop” begins to dominate
  • Authority becomes positional

4th century (Constantine)

  • Church merges with state structure
  • Power replaces persuasion

Medieval period

  • Clerical class vs laity
  • Excommunication becomes political

Modern era

  • Corporate governance models
  • CEO-style pastors
  • Legal risk management replaces shepherding

📌 The farther from house churches, the farther from Scripture


8. Bottom Line Contrast

Aspect

New Testament

Modern Hierarchy

Authority

Christ + local body

Office + institution

Discipline

Reluctant & restorative

Immediate & punitive

Decision maker

Whole assembly

Leader or HQ

Transparency

Open

Secretive

Family impact

Preserved

Often destroyed

Goal

Restoration

Control / compliance


Final Observation

What Scripture describes is not weak leadership
it is restrained leadership under Christ.

When churches abandoned:

  • plurality
  • locality
  • transparency
  • congregational authority

they gained efficiency, but lost faithfulness.

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Below is a clear, Scripture-based checklist of warning signs of unbiblical authority. These are not personality quirks or preferences — they are structural and behavioral red flags that show when leadership has moved from shepherding to control.


1. Decisions Are Made Without the Congregation

Warning sign

  • Major decisions (discipline, removals, policy changes) are announced, not discussed
  • Members are informed after the decision

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Discipline required congregational involvement

Scripture

  • Matthew 18:17 — “Tell it to the assembly”
  • 2 Corinthians 2:6 — “Punishment by the majority”

🚩 Red flag: “We’ve already decided” language


2. One Man’s Authority Is Treated as God’s Voice

Warning sign

  • Questioning leadership is equated with questioning God
  • “Touch not the anointed” used to silence concerns

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Apostles themselves were questioned
  • No leader was infallible

Scripture

  • Acts 17:11 — Tested teaching against Scripture
  • Galatians 2:11 — Paul publicly corrected Peter

🚩 Red flag: Leader cannot be corrected


3. Discipline Is Secretive or Vague

Warning sign

  • No clear accusation
  • “Confidential matters”
  • No witnesses or documentation

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Biblical discipline was specific and known

Scripture

  • 1 Timothy 5:19–20 — Charges require witnesses
  • 1 Corinthians 5 — Sin was plainly stated

🚩 Red flag: You’re told “details don’t matter”


4. Immediate Punishment Without Matthew 18 Process

Warning sign

  • People are removed instantly
  • No private confrontation
  • No gradual escalation

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Jesus mandated a step-by-step process

Scripture

  • Matthew 18:15–17

🚩 Red flag: “For the good of the church” used to skip steps


5. No Clear Path to Restoration

Warning sign

  • Discipline is indefinite
  • Requirements keep changing
  • Restoration depends on leadership favor

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Restoration was expected once repentance occurred

Scripture

  • 2 Corinthians 2:7–8
  • Galatians 6:1

🚩 Red flag: People are never fully welcomed back


6. Family and Natural Relationships Are Controlled

Warning sign

  • Members told to limit or cut off family
  • Silence enforced beyond church fellowship

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Scripture forbids treating disciplined believers as enemies

Scripture

  • 2 Thessalonians 3:15
  • 1 Timothy 5:8

🚩 Red flag: Shunning becomes a loyalty test


7. Fear Is Used as a Motivator

Warning sign

  • Fear of being “put out”
  • Fear of losing salvation, protection, or status
  • Fear of asking questions

Why it’s unbiblical

  • God’s leaders lead by example, not intimidation

Scripture

  • Romans 8:15
  • 1 Peter 5:3

🚩 Red flag: Obedience driven by anxiety, not love


8. Us-vs-Them Language Is Normalized

Warning sign

  • “The faithful” vs “rebels”
  • “Outside voices are dangerous”
  • Information is tightly controlled

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Truth withstands examination

Scripture

  • John 18:20
  • 2 Corinthians 4:2

🚩 Red flag: Isolation framed as holiness


9. Leadership Is Unaccountable

Warning sign

  • No mechanism to challenge leaders
  • Internal review only
  • Same people judge themselves

Why it’s unbiblical

  • Elders were accountable to the body

Scripture

  • 1 Timothy 5:20
  • Acts 15 — Open dispute resolution

🚩 Red flag: Appeals always go “up,” never outward


10. Organizational Loyalty Equals Faithfulness

Warning sign

  • Leaving the group equals leaving God
  • Other believers dismissed as deceived

Why it’s unbiblical

  • The Church is the body of Christ, not an institution

Scripture

  • 1 Corinthians 1:12–13
  • Ephesians 1:22–23

🚩 Red flag: “We are the only true church”


Quick Self-Test

If a church:

  • Centralizes power
  • Punishes quietly
  • Discourages questions
  • Controls relationships
  • Uses fear to enforce unity

…it is operating outside the New Testament pattern, regardless of how biblical its language sounds.


Final Principle

Biblical authority invites light.
Unbiblical authority demands silence.

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Here is a flowchart comparing biblical vs abusive discipline. 

Then showing what healthy biblical leadership looks like in practice


Below are two complementary pieces:

  1. A clear, step-by-step flowchart comparing Biblical discipline vs. abusive discipline
  2. A practical picture of what healthy biblical leadership looks like in real life

I’ll keep this concrete and Scripture-anchored.


1. FLOWCHART: BIBLICAL vs. ABUSIVE DISCIPLINE

A. Biblical Discipline Flow (New Testament Model)


Concern arises

     

     

Private conversation (Matt 18:15)

— gentle, specific, loving

     

      ├─ Repentance? ── YES ──► Forgiveness & restoration

     

      NO

Two or three witnesses (Matt 18:16)

— facts confirmed, not rumors

     

      ├─ Repentance? ── YES ──► Forgiveness & restoration

     

      NO

Tell it to the assembly (Matt 18:17)

— congregation informed

— elders guide, body discerns

     

      ├─ Repentance? ── YES ──► Public forgiveness & reaffirmed love

                              (2 Cor 2:7–8)

      NO

Temporary separation from fellowship

— grief, prayer, hope

— not treated as enemy (2 Thess 3:15)

     

     

Repentance occurs

     

     

Full restoration

— no stigma

— love reaffirmed

— relationship healed

Key characteristics

  • Slow
  • Transparent
  • Congregational
  • Temporary
  • Restoration-focused


B. Abusive / Unbiblical Discipline Flow


Concern arises (often vague or secondhand)

     

     

Leadership meets privately

— member not present

— no witnesses required

     

     

Decision made at top

— "prayerfully decided"

— no appeal

     

     

Announcement or silent removal

— no details given

— questions discouraged

     

     

Shunning enforced

— social isolation

— family pressure

— fear reinforced

     

     

Indefinite punishment

— restoration unclear or impossible

— status never fully restored

Key characteristics

  • Fast
  • Secretive
  • Leader-driven
  • Punitive
  • Control-oriented


SIDE-BY-SIDE SUMMARY

Aspect

Biblical Discipline

Abusive Discipline

First step

Private conversation

Leadership meeting

Evidence

Witnesses required

Rumors accepted

Decision

Whole assembly

Small elite group

Transparency

Open & specific

Vague & secret

Duration

Temporary

Indefinite

Goal

Restoration

Deterrence / control

Tone

Grief & love

Fear & shame


2. WHAT HEALTHY BIBLICAL LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE

This is what actually happens when leadership is functioning according to Scripture.


1. Leaders See Themselves as Shepherds, Not Judges

In practice

  • Leaders pursue people personally
  • They initiate hard conversations privately
  • They listen more than they speak

Scripture

  • 1 Peter 5:2–3 — “Shepherd the flock… not lording it over”
  • Ezekiel 34:4 — Condemns leaders who rule harshly

🟢 Healthy sign: Members feel safe bringing struggles forward


2. Authority Is Shared and Visible

In practice

  • Multiple elders
  • Decisions discussed openly
  • No single “final word” personality

Scripture

  • Acts 14:23 — Elders (plural)
  • Proverbs 11:14 — Safety in many counselors

🟢 Healthy sign: Leaders sometimes disagree — and that’s okay


3. Correction Is Relational, Not Institutional

In practice

  • Correction happens over meals, conversations, prayer
  • No paperwork, threats, or policy manuals
  • The goal is understanding, not compliance

Scripture

  • Galatians 6:1 — Restore gently
  • James 5:19–20 — Turning someone back saves them

🟢 Healthy sign: Correction feels personal, not procedural


4. The Congregation Is Trusted With Truth

In practice

  • Members know what’s happening
  • Facts are not hidden “for unity”
  • Leaders trust the Spirit in the body

Scripture

  • 1 Corinthians 12:7 — The Spirit given to each one
  • John 18:20 — “I said nothing in secret”

🟢 Healthy sign: Unity is based on truth, not silence


5. Restoration Is Celebrated, Not Resented

In practice

  • Repentance leads to joy
  • No probation period
  • No permanent labels

Scripture

  • Luke 15 — The prodigal welcomed publicly
  • 2 Corinthians 2:8 — Reaffirm love

🟢 Healthy sign: The church gets happy when people return


6. Leaders Are Correctable

In practice

  • Leaders invite feedback
  • Apologies are public when needed
  • Authority never shields sin

Scripture

  • Galatians 2:11
  • 1 Timothy 5:20

🟢 Healthy sign: Leaders repent visibly


7. People Are Free to Leave Without Being Condemned

In practice

  • Leaving is sad, not sinful
  • Relationships remain
  • No spiritual threats attached

Scripture

  • Romans 14:4
  • 1 Corinthians 7:23

🟢 Healthy sign: Love continues even when paths diverge


FINAL MEASURE (Very Important)

Ask this single question:

Does this leadership produce mature, free, loving believers — or fearful, dependent, silent ones?

  • The Holy Spirit produces freedom
  • Control produces conformity

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Flowchart in a printable one-page handout


Biblical Vs Abusive Discipline — One‑page Flowchart



BIBLICAL vs ABUSIVE DISCIPLINE

A One‑Page, Scripture‑Anchored Comparison


BIBLICAL DISCIPLINE (New Testament Pattern)


Concern arises

PRIVATE CONVERSATION

(Matthew 18:15)

— gentle, specific, loving

├─ Repentance? ── YES ──► Forgive & restore

NO

TWO OR THREE WITNESSES

(Matthew 18:16)

— facts confirmed, not rumors

├─ Repentance? ── YES ──► Forgive & restore

NO

TELL IT TO THE ASSEMBLY

(Matthew 18:17)

— elders guide, body discerns

├─ Repentance? ── YES ──► Public forgiveness

Reaffirm love

(2 Corinthians 2:7–8)

NO

TEMPORARY SEPARATION

— grief, prayer, hope

— not treated as an enemy

(2 Thessalonians 3:15)

REPENTANCE OCCURS

FULL RESTORATION

— no stigma

— joy and healing



Core Characteristics

  • Slow and careful
  • Transparent
  • Congregational
  • Temporary
  • Restoration‑focused


ABUSIVE / UNBIBLICAL DISCIPLINE (Control Model)


Concern arises

(often vague or secondhand)

LEADERSHIP MEETS PRIVATELY

— member absent

— no witnesses required

DECISION MADE AT THE TOP

— "prayerfully decided"

— no appeal

ANNOUNCEMENT OR SILENT REMOVAL

— no clear charges

— questions discouraged

SHUNNING ENFORCED

— social isolation

— family pressure

— fear used as leverage

INDEFINITE PUNISHMENT

— restoration unclear or impossible

— permanent stigma



Core Characteristics

  • Fast and secretive
  • Leader‑driven
  • Punitive
  • Fear‑based
  • Control‑oriented


SIDE‑BY‑SIDE SUMMARY

Aspect

Biblical Discipline

Abusive Discipline

First step

Private conversation

Closed leadership meeting

Evidence

Witnesses required

Rumors accepted

Decision

Whole assembly

Small elite group

Transparency

Open and specific

Vague and secret

Duration

Temporary

Indefinite

Goal

Restoration

Control / deterrence

Tone

Love and grief

Fear and shame


FINAL TEST

Does this process aim to restore a brother — or protect an institution?



"Beware if You Are Considering Joining or Rejoining the PCG!"

FIELD MICE

Some time back when I was still in the Philadelphia Church of God. I attended a family event at the church compound in Edmond Ok.
I went into a mens room. While in there I noticed an older man cleaning I told him he was doing a great job because it was so clean We talked a bit. It seems he was a member of the headquarters congregation.  He was glad to see so many non HQ members at the event. He told me that HQ staff and ministers called members from outside HQ, “field mice” and that it was the job of the “field mice” to “pay and pray”. He didn’t like that sentiment and thought the term derogatory. He told me that he was thankful for us because without us “field mice” he would not have a job. 
I think if you ask any member of the PCG outside of HQ they will tell you that they are thought of as “field mice” and they can see the difference in how they are treated by HQ staff and ministers
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   I hope my children contact me. 

My greatest hope is that my children will one day reach out to me again.

If my son Nathan Moffett in Edmond, Oklahoma, and my daughter Elise Moffett Salinas in San Antonio, Texas were not involved with the Philadelphia Church of God (PCG), I would likely never speak publicly about this group. I would still pray for those who have been hurt, but my focus would remain private.

What compels me to speak is not anger — it is love for my children and concern for families who have experienced similar separation. Policies that discourage or prevent normal family contact have caused deep pain, not only to me, but to many others. I believe families should not be divided, and that love, communication, and reconciliation should always be encouraged.

Because of this, I plan to continue raising awareness about the impact these practices have on families. My goal is not to attack individuals, but to bring attention to the human cost of separation and to encourage open discussion. I hope that by sharing my experience, others may better understand how deeply these situations affect parents, children, and loved ones.

My door, my heart, and my love remain open to my children — always. 

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